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Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion
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@hopebestman Forget you saw him, and just wait for Part 3.
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@hiroto :D that ova is a side story in part 3 i know that but still even as a flashback , we saw him now. and if he is Ferdinand's attendent , why we didnt met him yet :) questions , questions.
8 parts, 8 weeks to read a book, than binge read the same book within' 2 hours again.
Myne: Did we deceived him?
Ferdinand: Indeed we did.
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@hopebestman said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
@hiroto :D that ova is a side story in part 3 i know that but still even as a flashback , we saw him now. and if he is Ferdinand's attendent , why we didnt met him yet :) questions , questions.
Well, they converted a flashback story into a sort of flash forward story, to give a peak into future characters.
You should learn about the future character in the order that is presented in the main story, from Myne's point of view.
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BTW, I love those near misses with those investigator and Myne. That was cute, and those are anime additions which were not in the original side story. Man, that bread Myne was carrying was HUGE.
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Hmm. The group portrait at the end of the intro is rather interesting if you look for the Rinsham users by the highlights in their hair. In particular, it looks like Ferdinand is using it.
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How likely is a third series of Bookworm? Are there publicly available viewership numbers which could guide us on this question?
Various posters have speculated (to my mind convincingly) that series 2 will be volumes 4, 5 of the light novel, i.e. half of the apprentice priestess arc. Does this increase the chance of a third series? (Because a third series would presumably come to a neater stopping point than the second series will have.)
If there is a third series, when might we know? I'm guessing that if they follow a pattern of one season on, one season off (i.e. series 3 starting in a bit over 6 months from now) that they'd already need to be pretty much committed to it, with an airtime slot booked and funding secured.
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@LIbri-Liberorum The number of light novel adaptations that get more than two seasons are few and far between. Heck, more than just one season, or if the first season is double cour, are often miracles. Late night anime rarely get much benefit from ratings (expect apparently the recent Arifureta), so their primary purpose is to sell disks or books. If the production committee determines the investment in the anime was worth it, they may commission another season, which can take quite some time. I wouldn't expect another season until mid 2021 at the earliest, in my opinion.
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At one point in subtitles of the OVA, in part 1, the craftsman praises Myne’s “shopping nous.” “Nous” is a pretty obscure word that I mainly associate with philosophy class, so I’m a bit baffled by this conversation.
Could somebody who knows Japanese tell me what he is talking about here?
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@b-scot-morgan said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
At one point in subtitles of the OVA, in part 1, the craftsman praises Myne’s “shopping nous.” “Nous” is a pretty obscure word that I mainly associate with philosophy class, so I’m a bit baffled by this conversation.
Could somebody who knows Japanese tell me what he is talking about here?
He said:
大人顔負けの買い付けが出来る。
Literal translation would be something like:
She can conduct purchasing in a way to put adult to shame.
EDIT
The word 買い付け I translated to "purchasing" is specific merchant lingo which span the whole process of writing purchase order, specify what is being ordered, negotiate pricing, accept the good and pay the money. Usually in context of merchant purchasing something for retail sale.
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@hiroto Thanks!
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@LurkingMcLurk said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
So the episode 14.5 is up on Crunchyroll and they rolled with
Eckhardforエックハルトwhich is close enough to quof'sEckehardbut too bad it's not the same, andEustachiusforユストクスwhich... has shocked me.And it appears the Engrish name on the OVA booklet for the latter is
Justhocs.EckhaltandJusthocs. Hoping that when he appears in the English light novel proper we get it asJustus. -
@Svent said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
Translators or other staff,
Is the translation of the next series of bookworm books going to continue, as it looks like the next 5 books might become season 3 of bookworm next year, or is it too difficult to translate bookworm that fast?Do you have knowledge of a season 3? I asked on the anime forum, and was told that for a LN, even two seasons was exceptional, so a third season of Bookworm is not likely, and even if so, probably not soon.
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@b-scot-morgan said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
At one point in subtitles of the OVA, in part 1, the craftsman praises Myne’s “shopping nous.” “Nous” is a pretty obscure word that I mainly associate with philosophy class, so I’m a bit baffled by this conversation.
In my part of the world (NZ) "nous" is informal language for practical knowledge/intelligence. This fits perfectly with the usage in the subtitles. It is often hard with informal language to know how widespread its usage is.
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@LIbri-Liberorum However, 'nous' isn't common in territories that weren't part of the old Commonwealth. Dictionary.com, for example, lists its Greek meanings, then presents it under "BRITISH DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS FOR NOUS" as "British slang common sense, intelligence".
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Personally I would have used the word "acumen", but I admit I don't know if that would be just as obscure.
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@LIbri-Liberorum said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
@Svent said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
Translators or other staff,
Is the translation of the next series of bookworm books going to continue, as it looks like the next 5 books might become season 3 of bookworm next year, or is it too difficult to translate bookworm that fast?Do you have knowledge of a season 3? I asked on the anime forum, and was told that for a LN, even two seasons was exceptional, so a third season of Bookworm is not likely, and even if so, probably not soon.
(Prefacing this with not an expert in current Japanese adaptation trends)
LN adaptations series are generally used for promotional aspects for the more lucrative LN sales. Once the LN ends there are no sales to be made there and so promotional anime aren't needed anymore leaving the series half finished.
If the adaptation gets more people reading the LN than its job is done so there won't be another season and if the adaptation doesn't grow the popularity of the LN then there won't be another season.
So it's very unlikely that there will ever be another season of Ascendance of a Bookworm adapted.
Could be wrong obviously but this is mostly the case and even if it does get a third season it won't be immediately after season 2.
Edit: Oh and the Certain Magical Index series is a good example of the mindset behind adaptations: While people, rightly, call out the terrible anime adaptations of the series it really doesn't matter to the makers since the Index LNs a behemoth sales-wise so all the anime needs to do is get more people buying the LNs.
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@Justaidan said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
(Prefacing this with not an expert in current Japanese adaptation trends)
LN adaptations series are generally used for promotional aspects for the more lucrative LN sales. Once the LN ends there are no sales to be made there and so promotional anime aren't needed anymore leaving the series half finished.
If the adaptation gets more people reading the LN than its job is done so there won't be another season and if the adaptation doesn't grow the popularity of the LN then there won't be another season.
So it's very unlikely that there will ever be another season of Ascendance of a Bookworm adapted.
Could be wrong obviously but this is mostly the case and even if it does get a third season it won't be immediately after season 2.
Wait... so anime adaptations of LNs are made to get more people into the LN... that does make sense, but why would you go as far as one season for any adaptation to begin with? It would make sense for No Game No Life (no season 2), but then Konosuba gets two seasons and a movie, Re:Zero, Log Horizon, and Slime are getting an anime adaptation this year... you may as well make the anime miss the last volume, so everyone goes scrambling for the LN source to sate themselves, rather than to finish it.
Not to mention, that purpose alone is just asking to make something that is so not entertaining to the point of just reading the LN and discarding the anime from wanted memory (that would explain why all VN adaptations as of late are so shitty, but I doubt that even helps the anime when put to that caliber). It is asking for exploitation of the medium itself, than to make it do what it does. Wouldn't that mean that we're hoping that the anime fails to deliver to be convincing enough to sell out the LN? and Why can't the LN be sold again when they make another anime season to make use of the hype?
With AoaB's second season, it is not yet at the halfway mark to complete closure (they'll probably go up to the moment when Kamil is born, and stop there for next season or forever). Depending on the last few episodes, one would be able to tell whether it will get a second season... I would imagine that the original intention was to have the first season be two-cour, given the unusual 14 episodes for a first season, which would add up to a more common 26 episodes. It does look like the anime intends to just close up after 26 episodes; it is a timely ending that caters to any situation the anime may end up in, successful or not.
I wonder if Bookworm's situation may have possible exceptions... though that can possibly be just a dream at most. -
@hiroto said in Ascendance of a Bookworm - anime discussion:
You should learn about the future character in the order that is presented in the main story, from Myne's point of view.
I would expect this response from you due to your extreme sensitivity to spoilers, but honestly the spoiler potential of this OVA is minimal. To illustrate:
First possibility, the fact that Ferdinand ordered an investigation is a possible spoiler. I gotta say that it's a spoiler only if you think Ferdinand is brain dead. After all, Myne is first off, an extremely rare person who wants to join the temple volentarily. Add to that the fact that she's likely to be the first commoner to be able to enter the temple as a blue robe. Has enough Mana to crush the HB. And finally able to be calmed from a justifiable murderous rage when told the consequences of continuing her rage would harm her parents. Of course he ordered an investigation.
Second, the fact of the characters in the OVA are associated with Ferdinand is a possible spoiler. That depends upon how those characters are introduced in the main story line. At one extreme, Ferdinand tells Myne something like "Myne, let me introduce ..., they are trusted associates of mine that I use for tasks from time to time that I can't perform myself for various reasons." The other extreme has the characters interact with Myne over an extended period of time with an eventual reveal that it wasn't a chance encounter that started the chain of interactions, but was instead a covert action ordered by Ferdinand, casting all of the previous actions in a new light. I personally consider the first possibility much more likely than the second, taking into consideration the close working relationship Myne and Ferdinand are developing. So once again, not a spoiler, although I do leave open the possibility if they're introduced in a manner closer to the second option above. But I consider it extremely unlikely.
Third, their personalities and skills may be a spoiler that in the main story line is revealed gradually. This is a possibility, so let's look at them. I know their names start with an "E" and a "J", but which is which, I don't remember, nor care. I'll be calling them "Wimp" and "Clown". Let's deal with Wimp first. He's the one who's complaining about the smell making him sick. A non-entity who spends most of his time in bed and who's most significant achievement in the OVA is to express admiration of a disguise by Clown. Can't really consider the revealed abilities of Wimp to be a spoiler.
Now to examine Clown. Only real skill shown is the ability to make a disguise. But this is countered by the inability to actually dress appropriately for the environment he's in. We get three examples of this.
- When they first appear downtown in noble attire.
- When Clown appears in Benno's shop wearing clothing suitable for the poorer southern part of the city. Didn't that idiot spend any time observing customers entering and leaving there? Did he bother to look at the sales people? Obviously no. So of course, Mark does the "May I help you?" with the body language saying "we both know you don't belong here, now leave."
- When Clown appears downtown again, disguised as a farmer. And he bumps into Lutz's mother who immediately asks him what he's doing since there's no reason for a farmer to be in that area of town. So he runs away and continues to use the farmer disguise. He's an idiot.
If the potential spoiler is that we're supposed to learn that they're idiots gradually over time, then yes it's a minor spoiler. If instead, it's that Clown uses disguised, then there's another minor spoiler.
Now, some may consider me harsh in classifying those two as idiots. Well, IMO their investigation should have gone as follows:
- Stop at the Merchants guild and go to the Guild Master, "We require all information you have on Myne and Myne Studio." They're nobles after all, and the Guild Master a mere commoner, although a rich one. They would then know about Lutz and Benno. Also they might possibly learn about Freida.
- If they know of Freida, then interview her.
- Get anything they can from the Merchants Guild on Benno and Lutz.
- Visit Benno's shop and interview him. Find out when Lutz will be available and interview him. Additionally, they'll learn about Otto, and likely interview Otto. After all, if one of their questions to Benno isn't "How did you first meet Myne?", then they're hopelessly brain dead. From all this, they should now know about Gunther.
- Interview Gunther at the gate.
Of course, during these interviews they can request that they not speak of or discuss with anyone about those interviews.
Morning and Mourning sound alike for good and sufficient reasons.
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Original side story was written as flash back. Thus had some conversation in Part 3 time line showing some of their relationship to Myne and HP in that time line. Turned out, they removed all that when making into OVA. It is now transformed into more of a flash forward story with much more vague reference to two future characters.
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@22144418 said in Bookworm Part 2 Vol. 3 Discussion!:
Wait... so anime adaptations of LNs are made to get more people into the LN... that does make sense, but why would you go as far as one season for any adaptation to begin with?
Jnovel can tell you why; after Bookworm started airing the forums had a lot of people just interested in Bookworm and nothing else. In many cases the anime is basically an advert for the more lucrative LN sales.
It would make sense for No Game No Life (no season 2), but then Konosuba gets two seasons and a movie, Re:Zero, Log Horizon, and Slime are getting an anime adaptation this year... you may as well make the anime miss the last volume, so everyone goes scrambling for the LN source to sate themselves, rather than to finish it.
The series you are discussing are all extremely popular though, think of all the 'LN trash' anime that comes out each season that never gets a second season. There has a been recent change for additional seasons of stuff but that is only the extremely popular ones.
